October 25, 2004

QUEEN VICTORIA NOT A TRUE QUEEN....?


It was disappointing when (today) I just realised after seraching for more information on the Cunard ship being built that their new ship ("Queen Victoria" ) is not going to follow the QE2 and QM2 by being specifically designed as a LINER versus a CRUISE SHIP. In fact it is going to be (it sounds) pretty much like a whole bunch of other ships using a Vista Class style hull. In fact it will be very much like the "Arcadia" that I will be on in July 2005. However, as the ship that is the ARCADIA was originally for Cunard it may be that there is just confusion...

Here is what I found (plus some great links):

On a personal web site (that has dedicated QE2 and QM2 sub-sites that are worth visting), there is a dedeicated Queen Victoria sub-site. On the site he writes:

"The announcement on 31st March 2003 that the so called 'New Cunarder' would be called Queen Victoria was a decision quite unexpected by many maritime observers, but one that I personally feel is very appropriate for this important new ship.

Pamela Conover, Cunard’s President and Chief Operating Officer, said in the news release announcing the new ships name : “Cunard Line was founded just after Queen Victoria came to the throne, and her reign saw the company develop hugely in every sense. Throughout her reign Cunard built more and even better ships, we embraced radical new technology and we carried more passengers in greater comfort. Today, with more capacity than we have had for 40 years, Cunard is entering a new phase of expansion commensurate with that experienced under Queen Victoria, so it seems entirely appropriate for the new ship to bear the name. It is also fitting that the second largest Cunarder ever should also bear a Queen name!”

The ship will be deployed solely on cruises and is unlikely to operate liner voyages on a regular basis apart from perhaps repositioning cruises.

Originally ordered as the fifth in a series of five 'Vista' class ships for sister company Holland America, the contact was signed over to Cunard before the keel was laid and Holland America then ordered a further ship for delivery to them in 2006. The lead ship in the series Zuiderdam entered service in December.

To the purist the ship is no Queen liner. In all previous cases Queen Liners have been purpose built Transatlantic Liners with Queen Elizabeth 2 and Queen Mary both being designed for off season cruising as well. Queen Victoria is a cruise ship and not built to withstand the pounding of the Atlantic in midwinter.

The naming of the ship does however lay to rest one of the most enduring stories of the original Queen, the Queen Mary. When considering a name for their new liner Cunard White Star directors were anxious not to upset parties from either side of the board of the recently combined company. Traditionally Cunard Liners had names ending 'ia' such as Mauretania, Britannia etc and White Star Liners names ended 'ic' like Olympic, Oceanic etc.
During the deliberations it was decided that the ship would be named after 'Britain's most loved Queen' and an application to use the royal name was put forward. His majesty the King was delighted and said that Queen Mary would be delighted for her name to be used by the new liner. The Cunard board actually meant Queen Victoria ! Whilst this story has never been substantiated it has almost become folklore in the Cunard company."

On the Frommer site I found this which hints at a "LINER"...

"The deal with Fincantieri also includes a significant redesign of the Queen Victoria; the vessel will be lengthened by 11 meters, its tonnage increased to 90,000, and its passenger capacity (double occupancy) increased to 2,000. The ship will be built at Fincantieri's Marghera shipyard and is now expected to be delivered in summer 2007. "With these extensive modifications, Queen Victoria will incorporate the 'grand ocean liner' style of the Queen Mary 2 and Queen Elizabeth 2, as well as the signature design elements and culinary experiences that have earned Cunard its position as the preeminent luxury cruise operator," Carnival Chairman and CEO Micky Arison said. "At the same time, the reengineered Queen Victoria will serve as Cunard's SuperLiner of the future," he added."
Posted by Hello

STILL CAN'T FIND WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR.. CABIN DETAILS


I have still been looking for decent pictures and descriptions of the Q Grill suites. But not a lot of luck. So I will definately make sure when we are on the crossing that we will take pictures and write a decent description!

I did another search on the topic and came across something in a review by Ted Scull (remeber him! I mentioned him in an earlier posting as people speak highly of him as a "boff" on liners and is likely to be on our December Crossing giving talks).

The review is posted on the Cruisemates.com site that I have spoken of a fair few times now,. where he writes about the Q3 suites, saying he thinks they are better, morte authentic and smoother for rough crossings that the Sun and Signal deck (where we will be):

"My favorite cabins on the ship are the Q3 cabins on One and Two Decks: wood paneled (some with wood even in the ceiling), satin walls, walk-in closets and dressing room and large marble bathrooms that can be entered via two doors. Two people can chase each other in circles! When the QE2 was built, the Q3s were the ship's largest cabins, and two could be combined into a suite. These accommodations, amidships and midway above the waterline, are very stable in rough seas.

The newer staterooms high up on Sun and Signal Decks have a private entrance; they were added to fulfill the demand for more top-grade accommodations with verandahs. While some people swear by these, they are certainly less desirable on a North Atlantic crossing than on a calm-weather cruise. For me, they also suffer from not being original to the ship, and thus not possessing that true "ship cabin" atmosphere on the last true ocean liner afloat. I'll take my Q3 any day!

But here's the bottom line on dining for the bulk of QE2 passengers: Upgrade to Caronia, if possible; the Queens Grill is not really worth the extra money, unless status is important to you". Posted by Hello

October 22, 2004

END OF THE SAILING DAYS FOR QE2?


I had posted a note on the boards when I first saw the 2006 World Cruise posted. Some lucky poeple added to the post that they had booked. How envious was I.

We have spoken a few times about how fab it would be to do a world cruise - 3 or 4 months and 42 ports. How amazing an expereince would that be. Mark realised that he would qualify for 3 months sabattical if he stays in his current job the year that he turns 40 and I turn 50. Now a world cruise looks a pretty fantastic way to celebrate that...

Interestingly it also looks like 2009 (the year we hit the combined 90 years) or the year after could be a good year to do that as assuming the QE2 is still sailing it is likely though to be pretty much the end of the line for her as the posts below illustrate:

Transat Jon: "It is a thought, will QE2 still be plying the oceans in 2009? Her career ends before 2010 no matter what because of she will never meet SOLAS 2010 regulations (real wood, staircases to nowhere and blind corridors to name a few problems).Will 2009 be her last year, or will it be earlier? Word I hear suggests that 2007 will be when she will be put to seed but it is too early to say. She is still getting refits and interior upgrades each year. Start to worry when that stops!"

Translatantic Tom: "When I posed the question about her future to one of the deck officer's in April, he said that it was his understanding that "QE2" would be sailing at least until 2010"

Host Doug: "..the rules as they pertain to Cunard. I have not been able to get a reliable answer as to whether QE2 will be able to comply with the regulations coming into effect in 2010 or not.

Conventional wisdom has it that she is a Method II ship and that she will not be able to, and I tend to agree with this, but I haven't been able to get a definative answer. However, in a press release, Carnival Corporation & plc did at one point state that they will not be retiring any ships due to SOLAS 2010.

This could mean one of two things: either QE2 will be made to comply, or she will be retired before the regulations even come into effect in 2010. In my opinion, whether or not she would comply, it is quite unlikely that Cunard will keep her that long anyway. She will be 46 in 2010 and QUEEN VICTORIA will already be in service - so my guess is that she'll already be gone.

I also seriously doubt that Cunard will sell her to another operator (P&O refused to sell CANBERRA to Premier who wanted her, but HAL did sell ROTTERDAM - so there is no clear precedent here, but QE2 is far more widely known than either of those ships so I doubt she'd be sold) which means it would be static use or scrap. In other words, the 2010 rules will probably be a non-issue for QE2."

Transat_jon: "There is another issue that I believe SOLAS has a say in and thats the actual layout of the ship. Dead end corridors are not allowed, QE2 has a good number of these on four and five deck. Also her stairways that do not go the full height of the ship would need to be adjusted to go to all decks or blocked off. The thinking behind this is if an area is filled with smoke, you don't want people heading up dead ends and getting lost and confused and then becoming overcome by smoke."

What exactly are the SOLAS 2010 regulations?
SOLAS stands for: The International Safety of Life at Sea (SOLAS) convention, and a lot of the regulations seem to be about fire. On one of the videos I see to remember someone saying that more ships have been lost due to fire than any other cause (I guess that is out of war time?).

One site of the regulations says about SOLAS 2010: These amendments, adopted by Resolution on 10 April 1992, introduce new fire protection requirements for passenger ships constructed before 1 October 1994. ........... This means, for example, that materials are to be non-combustible to the extent required for SOLAS 74 ships by 1 October 2010.


The Sealetter.com website says the SOLAS chnages came about after a Scandinavian Sea fire of April 7, 1990 (where 158 died due to the spread of fire and smoke), the International Maritime Organization issued in 1992 the Chapter II SOLAS 74 amendments, that are being phased in over a 16-year period that began in 1994

A brief description of these changes, for ships carrying more than 36 passengers in international waters:
* Atriums Applicable January 1, 1994. Each level within the atrium space is to have two means of escape, one of which is to give direct access to an enclosed vertical means of escape. The atrium will be a vertical zone protected by sprinklers and smoke detectors, which also activates a smoke extraction system.
* Fire safety Applicable October 1, 1997. Installation of smoke detection systems in all accommodation and service spaces and stairway enclosures. Various arrangement enhancements of hinged fire door automation and fire door indicator panels. Additional illumination of escape routes, with low level lighting or photoluminescent strips. Arrangement of galley exhaust ducts. Installation throughout the ship of a general alarm system and a public address system. If the ship was been built to pre-SOLAS 74 standard, all the spaces above combustible ceilings in stairways and corridors are to be provided with smoke detectors, and all accommodation and service spaces, stairway enclosures and corridors to be provided with sprinklers, fire detection and fire alarm systems.
* Fire safety Applicable January 20, 2000. Stairways construction: All the stairways must be of steel and within "A" enclosures, with only minor exceptions. Category A machinery spaces must be fitted with a fixed fire extinguishing system. Various arrangement enhancements of all fire door automation. Installation of dampers in some ventilation ducts.
* Fire safety Applicable October 1, 2005 (or 15 years from the date of construction). All accommodation and service spaces, stairway enclosures and corridors to be provided with sprinklers, fire detection and fire alarm systems.
* Use of combustible materials. Applicable October 1, 2010. Construction of pre-SOLAS 74 ships to be brought up to SOLAS 74 standards. Posted by Hello

PASSENGER REVIEW #5: 1999 CROSSING


Jim R posted this on the excellent cruise-mates.com site. I like this review a lot as he talks about the experience and feelings around the crossing versus the description of the ship and stuff around him. He manages to create a great image of the event. He also talks about the chnages made in the last refit in 1999

" We arrived at Southampton at about 3:30 Sunday afternoon. We disembarked the train and walked directly into the Queen Elizabeth II terminal (I assume named for the Monarch, hence the II). Within minutes we were registered and escorted by a Steward to our stateroom.

Our home for the next six nights, the mighty Queen Elizabeth 2, was docked in front of her smaller sister, the recently rechristened Caronia. Both ships spent the previous month in dry dock being extensively refitted. They looked beautiful in their new paint. Cunard reached back into it's own history, and painted each ship in the original Cunard livery of a Federal Grey ( a kind of flat black) hull, white superstructure, and the classic Cunard red-orange and black funnel. QE2 looks almost new again. Her hull once again smooth.

As we made our way to our stateroom, I noticed passageways had new, plush carpeting. It appeared to be Axminster carpeting, in deep and vibrant shades of blue, gold, and burgundy, with intricate geometric patterns and borders of solid color. In addition, Four and Five Decks have new light wood wainscoting on passageway walls.

Our Caronia class accommodation on Three Deck was redecorated with new carpeting, drapes, furniture, and bedding. Shades of medium blue and cream dominate the decor and compliment the honey-colored wood wall covering. The style is traditional, elegant, and subdued. A full bath, trimmed in marble, completed the stateroom. In the usual QE2 fashion, beds were each fitted with down comforters and down pillows.

As I strolled the ship, I noticed several changes in public areas. Our Restaurant, the Caronia, was completely redesigned and redecorated during the latest refit. The room is absolutely stunning. It features a new entrance with curved balustrade and twin staircases that descend into the room. The walls feature mahogany wainscoting and brass light sconces. Ceilings are done with crisscrossing mahogany beams separating recessed white sections that feature crystal light fixtures that spread out in an almost floral design on the ceiling. The carpeting is a plush pattern in shades of rust and brown. Mahogany finished chairs with a sort of velvet fabric in rust complete the room. A vast improvement over the previous decor in this room.

The Mauretania Restaurant has new carpeting and drapes, in brighter shades of teal. Also, the entrance to the restaurant from the Crystal Bar was redone. The doorways are now flanked with faux columns, giving the entrance a more stately appearance.

The other area that I noticed had many changes was the Queens Room. This room is used for afternoon tea, cocktail parties, and evening dancing to a live orchestra. The lighter-colored wood accents have been replaced with dark mahogany. The built-in planters that separated the various sections were replaced with built-in seating, trimmed in mahogany. The furniture is all new, featuring low and high-back upholstered tub chairs in solid shades of royal blue and gold. The new carpeting is also done in these colors. The design of the end walls was reworked in mahogany, with the bronze statue of H.R.H. Queen Elizabeth II featured more prominently than before.

Our departure from Southampton was more solemn than those I experienced from New York. A dockside brass band played Christmas carols and then British themes as the tugs prepared to pull QE2 from her birth. People crowded the decks. QE2's sister, Caronia, gave us a farewell blast of her horn. We quietly slipped away from the dockside. It was charming. Heading for the English channel, we were about to experience what must be considered the consummate sea voyage -- a "crossing," a Line voyage on a purpose-built ocean liner.

An ocean liner which later showed her proud lineage by taming a rough North Atlantic sea, at times with Force 8 winds and rolling seas, at speeds of 25 to 29 knots. No other passenger ship today can make such a claim.

I had sailed on QE2 before, and had crossed the Atlantic by ship before, but this was the first time I crossed on QE2. The ship and its passengers seemed to assume a rhythm that doesn't exist in the "cruise" experience. The focus was very much the ship, with our destination, New York, seeming so far off in the future. There was a feeling of calm, comfort, and confidence in the journey. The slow rising and settling of the massive hull through the seas was accompanied by an almost soothing creaking of bulkheads. In this service, all of the elements of the ship work in harmony to transport its passengers from one continent to the other, with pace and grace.
QE2 is a wonder of engineering.

At times there were rough seas, but always there was the feeling that the ship was completely capable for this service. We seemed to be compelled to tune the TV to the "view from the bridge" to witness yet another wave breaking over QE2's raked prow. Or to monitor our course and speed on the televised GPS information. For me, the ultimate was to lean over the stern rail and see the Atlantic being churned furiously by the twin screws. That is when you really understand the awesome power of this ship.

In spite of the complex machinery working to transport us at 28 knots, shipboard life assumed an unhurried state. Strolling the teak decks; attending a lecture on Maritime history; pausing to hear the Captain's noon report; taking afternoon tea; lingering for hours over dinner each evening, sharing cocktails with friends while listening to Cole Porter or Gershwin played on a grand piano that once graced the Queen Mary. These simple pleasures took on an almost surreal feeling. QE2 was in her element. It is so hard to describe the feeling, but having crossed on another ship, a former liner, I can only say that QE2 is really the remaining quintessential "ocean liner." She captures the grand experience of this stately and historic mode of travel. To all those who have cruised on QE2, but never crossed, I say that you should experience the difference.

Arrival in New York was almost magical, as usual. Hundreds of people huddled on deck, shivering in the cold, waiting to see the Statue of Liberty and lights of Manhattan. A red sunrise was breaking through the cloud cover over midtown. The tugs scurried to greet us as we headed up the Hudson River. A fire boat gave us a grand salute of water from its hoses. A fitting end to a great journey and a charming welcome to this grand ship.

I can hardly wait to sail on her again". Posted by Hello

2006 QE2 WORLD CRUISE: CUNARD PRESS RELEASE



AROUND THE WORLD WITH A QUEEN

After 22 full World Cruises no ship can know the world quite like its most famous one, Queen Elizabeth 2. Her 2006 World Cruise, which goes on sale on 1 October, will for the first time since her first ever World Cruise in 1975 start and finish in her homeport of Southampton meaning a much improved and slightly shorter voyage for British passengers. The 109-day voyage will call at 42 ports with fares ranging from £9,499 to £121,699 per person*.

Releasing its World Cruise brochure so early is another first for Cunard.The British-built and British-registered QE2, launched on the Clyde by Her Majesty The Queen, remains the fastest passenger ship in the world and is undoubtedly the most famous. Her top speed of 34 knots and cruising speed of 28.5 knots are considerably greater than those of any other passenger ship operating in the world – speed which gives the ship the flexibility to avoid areas of bad weather and to visit a greater number of ports in a given time than her rivals. QE2 attracts thousands of sightseers wherever she goes – traffic still comes to a halt on Sydney Harbour Bridge whenever she arrives – and is one of the most potent ambassadors for Britain worldwide.

For 2006 Cunard is continuing its very successful 40% ‘Sailaway’ savings programme. Passengers who book their cruise before 31 January 2005 will receive a 50% ‘Sailaway’ saving off brochure fares. The 42-night liner voyage from Hong Kong to Southampton has fares ranging from £4,199 to £59,449*.The voyage will return to Southampton via the Suez Canal and will feature overnight calls in Auckland, Sydney, Shanghai (maiden call), Hong Kong, Bangkok, Mumbai and Dubai.Full World CruisesThe brochure will feature three Full World Cruises (Southampton – Southampton, New York – Southampton and Los Angeles – Southampton) ranging from 89 to 109 nights. Cunard is continuing its very successful 40% ‘Sailaway’ savings programme. Passengers who book their cruise before 31 January 2005 will receive a 50% ‘Sailaway’ saving off brochure fares. The 42-night liner voyage from Hong Kong to Southampton has fares ranging from £4,199 to £59,449*.

Passengers who book a Full World Cruise will receive the following added benefits:
• £750 per person on board credit (Grill and Caronia Restaurant passengers); £250 per person On board credit for Mauretania Restaurant passengers.
• First Class flights (where applicable) for guests booking Grill accommodation, Club Class for Caronia accommodation and Economy Class for Mauretania accommodation.
• Five Complimentary customised shore excursions.
• Complimentary gratuitiesLiner VoyagesIn addition to the Full World Cruises, the brochure will also offer six ‘Liner Voyages’.

As QE2 is one of two liners operating today, the other being RMS Queen Mary 2, these are routes the ship was built for with her design, construction and speed.The ‘Liner Voyages’ (Southampton – Sydney, Southampton – Hong Kong, New York – Hong Kong, Los Angeles – Hong Kong, Sydney – Southampton and Hong Kong –Southampton) range from 42 to 70 nights

..... Passengers who book on board before 31 January will only have to pay a £750 per person deposit until 1 June 2005 when the remainder of the deposit is due. Full World Cruise guests have to pay their full balance 90 days prior to departure while ‘Liner Voyage’ guests have to pay their full balance 56 days prior to departure. As part of the new strategic approach to World Cruise, other sectors will open for sale in mid October 2004 when a special brochure promoting Grill accommodation on shorter combination sectors will be published. Posted by Hello

PASSENGER REVIEW #4: JUL 2003 CROSSING


This is the 4th review by a passenger on the crossing experience. This is also from cruise-addicts.com, and posted by Ernie Grossman who went from Nyc - Southampton in a P1 cabin in July 2003

"As always, one embarks the QE2 on Two Deck, directly into the famous Midships Lobby… a large circular space whose walls are adorned with lovely sepia colored drawings with nautical and travel themes and with an inviting sunken center level with banquet seating. It is a lovely space. I’m greeted by a crewmember and escorted to my Stateroom… just a few feet forward of the Lobby, Port side.

On this crossing, I’m in a P1 (Princess Grill) Stateroom, number 2054.Awaiting me in my Stateroom is a chilled bottle of Champagne, lovely fresh flowers and some hors d’oeuvres. The room is commodious… two oversized elongated portholes, a large writing desk with an illuminated mirror, sitting area, Queen sized bed (which could be converted to two singles) lots and lots of closet and drawer space, a huge bathroom with tub and shower and lots of storage room, a safe and refrigerator. The walls of the stateroom are lined with a fine wood veneer giving the room a glowing warmth that is hard to find now-a-days on newer ships. I’m traveling alone and the room is truly spacious for me… and would be quite so for two. I believe it is in the 275 to 300 square feet range. Yes… this will surely do!In a few minutes there is a knock at the door and my luggage is delivered (the five bucks worked again!). I unpack and get set up, while sipping some of the champagne…my mood brightening all the more.

It is about 4pm or so and we’re scheduled to sail at 4:30, so I walk forward to an elevator and go up to Boat Deck (the QE2’s classic promenade deck), then up the forward stairs to the Sun Deck, with its great viewing area just under the Bridge. It is pouring rain and there are lightening flashes every few minutes. One of them makes a direct hit somewhere on the pier and knocks out the computer system used for checking-in passengers causing a lengthy delay in the embarkation procedure and a delayed sailing.

We finally sail at about 6:00 pm.By this time, I have showered, changed and am comfortably seated in my favorite lounge on board… the Chart Room… situated on the Starboard side, just aft of the Caronia Dining Room on Quarter Deck. It is hard to imagine a more comforting place to enjoy a pre-dinner drink. Quiet cocktail hour music played on the original piano from the Queen Mary or a harp, a perfectly made (as always) extra dry Beefeater Martini, straight up (one olive please) and off to my right is passing by the abandoned ferry terminals on the Jersey side of the Hudson, followed quickly by a very close Statue of Liberty and the eternally mournful looking Ellis Island… and then Staten Island and under the Verrazano Bridge… the lights of Sandy Hook and a setting sun to the west as we glide toward the Ambrose Light tower (no more light ship), drop off our pilot and turn to the Northeast and the great circle route to Europe.

QE2 has come alive… (she’s fully booked for this crossing) and one can sense that special ambiance of a Transatlantic liner crossing bubbling up and reaching a steady pitch that will continue for the next five days. How glad I am to be here!The Most Famous Ship in the World!QE2 is NOT a ship divided by classes… as is so often misstated. True, she was built that way as was the custom in bygone days. She is a one class ship, with all public spaces open to everyone (with the two exceptions of a small lounge, adjacent to the Queens Grill restaurant that is open only to Grill passengers and an even smaller lounge at the entrance to the Princess Grill restaurant that is open only to Princess and Britannia Grill passengers.

One of the amusing results of QE2’s earlier two class design is the strange elevator structuring… baffling to many first timers on board. Elevators on the QE2 begin at odd decks and totally skip other decks, seemingly without reason. In fact, they were designed to only reach deck space within the original classes. One can master them, with a little effort, in a few days. Once you’ve learned the in’s and out’s they are quite convenient and get you to where you want to go rather efficiently.

The QE2 is a repository of Cunard Line history… including fabulous ship models, memorabilia from Cunard’s famous liners of the past, memento’s of past accomplishments and commendations, remarkable photo’s of notables who have sailed on her, not to mention the ship itself. The QE2 offers a “Heritage Trail” tour, departing at various times every day during the voyage, with an experienced and interesting guide, at no cost. It is well worth the time if you are interested in ships and those who sail in them. You can get a guide at the Purser’s Desk and do the tour on your own, too.

QE2 has four restaurant grades, and your cabin assignment and restaurant grade are linked. If you think about it, it really makes some sense. Why should a passenger paying, say, $1200 for a six day crossing get the same food and service levels as someone paying ten times that? Starting with the proposition that Cunard is a luxury brand, one can be assured that the food and service in the lowest priced category restaurant is superb (it is)… and move up from there.

The differences are subtle but each level up has a growing number of choices, more elaborate service and tableware standards and more atmospherics.The entry-level restaurant, Mauretania, has a wonderful menu and offers passengers a two seating (early or late) dining program. It is open for Breakfast, Luncheon and Dinner. Food and service in Mauretania easily equals anything offered on any of the Premium Brand lines… and then some. Mauretania Restaurant has its own galley.Next up the ladder is the Coronia Restaurant. Caronia offers open seating dinning… pre-assigned tables, but continuous service from 6pm to 9pm every evening, and it is open for Breakfast and Luncheon as well. Tables are available for 2, 4, 6, 8 and larger in the Caronia and service is superb. Recently redone, the Caronia is lovely to look at. It has high ceilings and well-spaced tables making for a quiet restaurant conducive to conversation in normal tones. The staff is accommodating and in ample numbers to ensure excellent service.

The Grill Category restaurants on board QE2 take dining ambiance to higher levels, with food preparation to match. Princess and Britannia Grills are the next level up. They are both intimate rooms, reminiscent of elegant Supper Clubs of a bygone era. Both rooms are elegantly decorated and feature banquet seating on various levels as well as standard tables on the main floor. Soft lighting, quiet ambiance and superb service are their hallmarks.

On this trip, I dined in Britannia Grill. Raul, the immaculately attired Maitre ‘d, runs a tight ship, always with a smile and never failing to make each dining experience a delight. Raul’s staff, mostly from the United Kingdom, are professional and have just the right distance from the guest… they are not there to become your best friend. Robert, from Scotland, my waiter for the trip, never wrote down an order… and never missed, either. From day one it was “Mr. Grossman”, as every guest in the room was greeted by name. Food quality, preparation, presentation and variety are just superb in Britannia Grill. Deserts are uniformly great and the Cheese Cart is not to be missed. (Ask for the wheel of fine English Stilton, hidden on the lower shelf. With some Port Wine, it is the best!) And, we had a “real” Sommelier… Patrick… who actually knew his wines (QE2 has a remarkable wine cellar… including lots of “off the list” wines too). I prefer a good Italian Barolo with dinner… a wine that is best decanted about an hour before drinking… and Patrick had a bottle decanted and waiting every evening… including two evenings when I relied on one of his off the list suggestions, to my great delight. Britannia Grill does permit smoking (Princess Grill does not). Lots of tableside preparation is evident. Princess and Britannia Grills share a galley with Caronia Restaurant, although the Grill restaurants’ menus are more elaborate.

Queens Grill, the top restaurant on the ship, is consistently rated the best restaurant at sea. It has its own galley and offers a complete table de hote and a la carte menu. It is an elegant dining experience in a grand setting. The Queens Grill galley prepares Queens Grill passenger’s room service food, too.The Lido Buffet, available for Breakfast, Luncheon and Dinner is, in my opinion, far and away the best such venue at sea.

Breakfasts are great! Eggs to order, as you like them (including poached)… a wide range of breakfast meats to chose from (including the best Hash around), toast that is actually toasted and hot, lovely stewed tomato’s as an accompaniment and lots more. Luncheon similarly offers a wide selection, including hot carvings every day, separate sandwich, salad and pasta stations, and on and on. The Pavilion, hidden away on One Deck just forward of the aft pool, is an underutilized delight for a light lunch… hamburgers, hot dogs, minute steaks, French fries, salads and the like… self service but with lovely tables overlooking the pool area.

High Tea, served every day in the Queens Room lounge (and a few other locations) is simply not to be missed. It is served up in the traditional English fashion, with finger sandwiches, scones, pastries and individual ceramic pots of tea. To the accompaniment of quiet live music, served by smartly liveried staff, one can easily drift back to another time in history while savoring the moment. High Tea is one of those many events on the QE2, which is almost impossible to describe. You just have to be there.

A word is in order about my cabin service. On this crossing, as in past crossings, I never met my cabin steward or stewardess… never once. But, I can tell you… as on past crossings, he or she or they were the best… just remarkable. Never, in the six days on board did I ever leave my stateroom and return to find it in the condition in which I left it. Up early… sleeping late… off to dinner… this silent, unobtrusive service was just remarkable. It is always the same and spoils me completely. I don’t have to endure the welcome on board speech, with a description of the attendant’s ethnic background… followed quickly by a recitation of the attendants working hours. No… QE2’s silent cabin staff are always there… hidden from view but wonderful!

Six Days At SeaMany who have not done a Transatlantic crossing (note I use the word “crossing”, rather than “cruise”… they are very different undertakings) on an express mail liner, wonder if six or so days at sea will be boring. The answer is a resounding “No”.

The daily program is filled with interesting, enlightening and entertaining activities than seem endless. I, for one, rarely if ever read a cruise ship’s daily program or attend any of their offerings… a la “the Not The Newlywed Game” variety or the endless poolside games led by an over zealous, generally failed in show business, boisterous over bearing Cruise Director. The QE2 on a Transatlantic crossing is something else again. The daily program is required reading so as not to miss any of the eclectic offerings… on this crossing ranging from 5 lectures by John Maxtone-Graham, author of the definitive book on ocean liners (The Only Way To Cross) to author and editor-in-chief of Cosmopolitan Magazine, Helen Gurley Brown… and lots more. Each day is crammed full of these events. Often, there are real conflicts… resolved only by the fact that many of the events are video taped and repeated on the ship’s television system later.

An occasional walk around the promenade deck… looking at the endless horizon and the dark green North Atlantic swirling around the QE2’s hull… rounds out the day. The vastness of the ocean… the security of our ship with its state-of-the-art global positioning navigation system… I marvel at how it was done in earlier days. Being at sea on this ship somehow fills one’s mind with thoughts like these… out on the deep… alone… remote from civilization. How wonderful!

Lest I forget, the QE2 has the other expected amenities… an elegant Health Spa and Gym, an active Casino, great evening entertainment in lots of venues and a raucous English Pub. She also boasts a full, well stocked Library (she has the only full time librarian at sea), a fascinating Book Shop with a remarkable collection of Cunard Posters from the past, ship paintings and books on ships and other nautical theme’s. If you love the sea, as I do, you can spend hours browsing in the Book Shop.

Shopping, as you might expect, is elegant and varied on board… from a Harrah’s outlet (the only one at sea) to some of the best logo clothing and articles around. There are a dozen or so shops featuring a wide range of merchandise… including one with authentic antique memorabilia from famous Cunard vessels of the past (and the future… I was able to purchase some lovely Tee Shirts with the QM2 logo… available nowhere else). Of the six nights at sea, four are formal nights… and they mean it! It is wonderful and the dress code carries through for the entire evening. I must say that the elegance of these formal nights… music wafting through the air… conversation… restrained elegance… all combine to transport one back to another time… gracious, comfortable and totally enjoyable!

I can assure the reader that six days pass faster than you can imagine on QE2… all too fast, in fact. Late in the last evening, we are off the south coast of Ireland, past Lands End and Bishop’s Rock (the traditional starting and ending point for measuring speed on the Transatlantic run) and into the English Channel.On the morning of the seventh day, I am up on deck as QE2 sails up the Solent to the famed Ocean Terminal Docks in Southampton. We move at a fairly brisk pace, as river traffic salutes our arrival, on time.

I am sad to contemplate leaving this great vessel. A short trip up to London awaits, a few days there and then, Virgin Atlantic back to Miami. I am filled with sadness at saying goodbye to this grand lady of the North Atlantic… a sadness tempered only by the prospect of seeing a new Transatlantic Liner… one I never thought would actually be built… the Queen Mary 2, which in January of 2004 will replace the QE2 on regular Transatlantic crossings. QE2 will sail her World Cruise in January of 2004 and then do one last Transatlantic crossing, in tandem with her younger sister, QM2, and then sail cruise itineraries out of Southampton, England." Posted by Hello

October 21, 2004

PASSENGER REVIEW # 3: AUG 2003 CROSSING


This is the 3rd passenger review about their experience on the QE2 Atlantic Crossing. This is the 1st in the series I have posted that talks about the Southampton to New York route.

LISA63 did it in August 2003. The review was posted on Cruise-addicts.com

"INTRODUCTION: It was our trip of a lifetime, our dream vacation. As I am an ocean liner fanatic, a transatlantic crossing on Queen Elizabeth 2 (QE2) marked the culmination of several years of studying passenger ship history and a quest to travel on as many of the remaining ocean liners that time would allow. The main difference between our previous trips on liners and our journey on QE2 was that all of the former were cruises, whereas the latter was the true ocean crossing for which these ships were designed. So, it was with great anticipation that we booked QE2 for our 2003 summer vacation.We combined our QE2 voyage with a pre-crossing stay in London, a city that held special appeal for my history-buff husband. This was to be the first visit to London for all of us, which added to the excitement of our dream vacation.After months of planning, the big day finally arrived.

EMBARKATION: The embarkation process was very smooth. We arrived at the Queen Elizabeth II Terminal to find two lines, one long one for passengers booked in Mauretania and Caronia categories, and a shorter line for those in the Princess, Britannia and Queens Grill categories. Our long line moved very quickly, and we were soon checked in and issued our boarding passes. We were directed to a large lounge upstairs, where boarding numbers were being called. The embarkation lounge was nice, with ample, comfortable seating. There were many posters of Cunard liners and other cruise ships along the walls, even in the lavatories! Our boarding number was called within 15 minutes, and we began the exciting walk up the gangway. Just before stepping on board, I couldn't resist touching the outside of the ship. We entered QE2 in a circular lobby on Two Deck that was adorned with artwork representing the history of Cunard. A steward immediately stepped up to escort us to our cabin. The next phase of our vacation was about to begin.

SHIP LAYOUT: QE2 is a beautiful ship both inside and out. Although there were no public rooms that made me say "Wow," what made the ship special was that the entire package was more than the sum of its parts. Rooms flowed wonderfully from one to the next, and the liner memorabilia throughout the vessel added to her charm. I found the layout of the public areas of QE2 to be among the best we have ever seen.

QE2 was planned as a three-class ocean liner, although she was ultimately built to accommodate just two classes. Thus, there are three decks of indoor public spaces: Quarter Deck, Upper Deck and Boat Deck. Quarter Deck, the original First Class space, houses a number of fine rooms, including the Caronia Restaurant, Queen's Room (a spacious lounge/ballroom with white columns surrounding a large dance floor), and the glorious Chart Room (a lovely bar that contains many fine pieces of ocean liner memorabilia, including a piano from Cunard's 1930s Queen Mary).

Far forward on this deck are the Princess Grill and Britannia Grills, although the main accesses to these restaurants are from adjacent decks. The Lido, offering casual dining, is far aft. A wonderful bookshop and library are other highlights.One deck above, Upper Deck features a similar layout, now re-purposed for the liner's single-class configuration. Just above the Queens Room is the Grand Lounge, which is used today as a show lounge. The Golden Lion Pub, the only place onboard to get draft beer, is above the Chart Room. Also on this deck is the Mauretania Restaurant, the ship's only restaurant that offers early and late seating dining. J

ust outside the Mauretania Restaurant is the Crystal Bar, one of the few public rooms that span the width of the ship. Direct access to the Princess and Britannia Grills one level below is available from this bar. Far aft is the Yacht Club, a large bar and lounge that served as a disco in the evenings. A small casino is also situated on this deck.Many of the rooms on Quarter and Upper Deck are connected by indoor promenades on both the port and starboard sides of the ship. This is similar in layout to SS Norway's International Deck, only QE2's promenades are carpeted and offer ample plush seating.

Above Upper Deck is Boat Deck, which contains the main shopping area. A number of shops are located in an area that overlooks the Grand Lounge. Some suites, added to the ship in the 1970s, are located amidships. The forward part of the deck is devoted to the Queens Grill and the Queens Grill Lounge; the latter is a narrow lounge reserved for Grill passengers and their guests. Access to the outer decks is available from Boat Deck.While most of the public areas are located on these decks, a few public spaces are located below.

One level below Quarter Deck is One Deck, which has a small Champagne Bar (formerly the Princess Grill Lounge and one of few areas on the ship that retains its original 1969 décor) and a sundries shop. Continuing downstairs, the Computer Centre and aforementioned Midships Lobby are located on Two Deck, and a synagogue is on Three Deck.The majority of cabins are located on One Deck through Five Deck. Most of the Caronia and Mauretania cabins are on Four and Five Decks. (Mauretania cabins are standard insides or outsides, and Caronia cabins are slightly larger outside cabins.)

The larger staterooms and suites are located on One Deck through Three Deck, while the luxury suites with balconies, later additions to the ship, are on the two highest decks, Signal and Sun.Passenger areas are also located on Six Deck (Health Spa, complete with thalassotherapy pool, cost $15) and Seven Deck (gymnasium and wonderful indoor pool, which I used several times).Outdoor space was abundant. An outdoor pool is located on One Deck aft, surrounded by two hot tubs, a children's wading pool, and a large seating area. An aft seating area is also located just off the Yacht Club on Upper Deck.

Boat Deck contains a sports area (shuffleboard, basketball/tennis court, small putting green) and a teak promenade. I was a tad disappointed that the promenade was not a true circuit, but that was soon forgotten as I settled into one of the wooden deck chairs that overlooked the sea. Another large outdoor seating area is located on Sun Deck. Here, passengers could rent a deck chair for the entire crossing for $17. The outer decks were sheltered from the wind, which was great as QE2 averaged over 24 knots on our crossing, per Captain Ian McNaught.

OUR CABIN: We had selected Cabin 4143, a category C5 triple on Four Deck. Several factors influenced our cabin choice -- its amidships location, its size (220 square feet, according to our travel agent), and the fact that it had three lower berths so that our 9-year-old would be close to the floor should a rogue wave hit in the middle of the night. Our choice was also influenced by our preference to dine in the Caronia Restaurant, which offered single seating rather than early or late dining. (More on that later). Cabin 4143 turned out to be perfect for us in every way. The cabin is long, narrow and spacious. Upon walking in, the bathroom is to the immediate left. It's small but functional, and has a glass-doored shower and sufficient storage space. (Although our cabin was likely original to the ship, the bathroom had been clearly modernized over the years.) Continuing down the cabin hallway, the bedroom alcove is on the left. We've actually been in cabins that were the size of just this bedroom. Between the two twin beds is a three-drawer dresser with about a foot of storage space underneath. The dresser has a pullout writing desk. Above the dresser is a mirror, and a small television is on a shelf above the foot of one of the beds. We get a decent number of stations, including CNN.Past the bedroom is a dressing area, consisting of a four-drawer dresser with mirror, a full-length mirror, and three full wardrobes. Life vests are stored in an out-of-the way compartment on the floor of each closet. There is also a safe that requires a magnetic strip of a card to operate. Finally, we come to sitting area. The area extends to the left, where there is yet another four-drawer dresser with mirror. A chair is to the right, along the main wall. Running the width of the cabin, just below the single porthole, is a third bed. It is a sofa bed by day and at night, our steward Jongs flips a few things up and out of the way to turn the piece into a twin bed. Unlike some other lines we've tried, our beds are completely made up each day.I had a chance to look at other cabins on disembarkation morning. All looked very comfortable, even the tiniest M5 inside cabins. Many of the larger, original first class cabins have a walk-in closet with a compartment for a steamer trunk. There are also a variety of more modern cabins that were added during the ship's refits. Even so, we were very pleased with our cabin and highly recommend it for a family of three or three adults.

DINING: As we had booked a "C" grade cabin, we were assigned to the Caronia Restaurant. This is one of the most attractive dining rooms we have seen aboard ship. The main entrance is a semi-circular platform from which passengers descend approximately ten steps on one of two stairways to the dining room floor. The dark wooden columns and trim are lovely, giving the room a luxurious feel.

Large windows flanked the port and starboard portions of the dining room, and curtains remained open throughout all meals so that passengers could enjoy the view of the Atlantic. There were numerous dolphin and whale sightings along the way.There was no need for us to visit the dining room upon boarding to make sure that our seating arrangements were satisfactory.

When we entered our cabin, a seating chart was waiting for us, along with our table number. We knew immediately that Cunard had honored our request for a four-top in the non-smoking section. (Note: Four of the five restaurants permit smoking in designated areas. The Princess Grill is the only completely non-smoking restaurant.)

One of the best features of QE2 is its single seating dining in most of the restaurants. We thoroughly enjoyed this aspect of the Caronia Restaurant. Our table assignment was ours for all meals and we could dine at any time within a two-hour window for breakfast, lunch AND dinner. It was wonderful to not have to contend with open seating breakfast or lunch. And, while we tended to arrive at approximately the same time for dinner every evening, we enjoyed the flexibility while knowing that our table was waiting for us. The only restaurant on board without single seating dining is the Mauretania, which has early and late seating dinner and open seating breakfast and lunch. This is still a beautiful restaurant, and features the same menu as the Caronia, although they use different galleys.Casual dining alternatives were adequate, if not as abundant as on newer ships. The Lido was large and offered numerous self-service items for breakfast and lunch. The Lido was also open for a more casual dinner, although shorts were prohibited in the evening hours. There was also a small eatery near the outdoor pool on One Deck that served "fast food" during the day as well as a light children's meal in the evening.We took most of our meals in the Caronia Restaurant, and used the Lido primarily for tea and snacks. Dinner menus consisted of five courses -- appetizer, soup, salad, entrée and dessert. Luncheon menus included appetizers, hot and cold entrées, and dessert. A healthy "Simplicity" menu was also featured, along with sugar-free desserts. The food was wonderful in both variety and flavor. Some of my favorites were pan-seared cod, roast striploin of beef with horseradish sauce and Yorkshire pudding, and the rock lobster tail. Desserts were heavenly, although I usually indulged instead in the international cheese cart. There was no children's menu, although the maitre d' told us that we could order items in advance. That turned out to be unnecessary in our case as our son thoroughly enjoyed the adult meals, particularly the fish entrees and the consommés.

AFTERNOON TEA: I normally don't write a separate category for afternoon tea in my reviews, but as this was a highlight of the crossing I felt it deserved special attention.Afternoon tea was served every day but embarkation day from 4:00-5:00 in several locations. Tables were pre-set with a small plate, teacup and saucer, utensils, and a cloth napkin. Waiters circulated with pots of tea and delicious finger sandwiches -- salmon, cucumber, egg, to name a few. A little while later, sweet desserts were served, including scones with clotted cream. The menu was exactly the same in the Queens Room and the Lido; as I was not a Grill passenger, I cannot speak for the Queens Grill Lounge.I had been looking forward to tea, and it didn't disappoint.

However, tea in the Queens Room wasn't as elegant as I had expected. For one thing, it was far too crowded, so finding a seat was difficult if you arrived later than 4:00. Secondly, there was no evidence of a dress code, as there had been on SS Norway. Looking around, I noted several passengers in shorts or blue jeans and a pre-teen girl in a plaid button-down shirt that appeared to have had its arms ripped off at the seams. I had been under the impression that the Queens Room was more formal than the Lido, but that was not the case. To my surprise, I actually preferred tea in the Lido. While the room did not have the historical ambiance of the Queens Room, finding a seat in the Lido was never a problem and service was more frequent. Despite the very minor comments noted above, I truly enjoyed afternoon tea. The tea, sandwiches and desserts (particular the scones) were marvelous. Service was also excellent, particularly in the Lido.

DRESSING UP: Prior to our crossing, I had questions concerning daytime dress, so I'll include this in the review. Yes, QE2 is a formal ship on crossings, and most (but not all) passengers oblige. Nevertheless, I saw a wide variety of daytime attire. Most passengers, including our family, dressed "business casual" during the daytime. (Keep in mind, though, that this was a transatlantic crossing and not a tropical cruise.) Cunard has relaxed its requirement that shorts are not to be worn in the dining room during breakfast and lunch. They did request, however, that no shorts be worn in the evenings, even in the Lido. Dressing up for the evenings was a highlight of the crossing. Of the six nights, two were formal and two were informal (jacket/tie for the gentlemen, dress or fancy pantsuit for the ladies). I'd estimate that two-thirds of the gentlemen wore tuxedos on the formal nights, with the remainder in suits and ties.

SERVICE: Service was excellent overall, as we had expected it would be. This is best described by citing a few of many examples.Our cabin steward, Jongs, noticed that I was an avid reader, and loaned me a few of his own books for the voyage. Cabin service was quick and efficient. One thing we also noted was the absence of stewards' carts in the hallways during most of the day.During afternoon tea in the Lido, I once declined dessert as I felt I had already overindulged in sugary treats for the day. Within five minutes, and without my asking, the waiter returned with two sugar-free muffins. I had rented a deck chair on Sun Deck, and actually fell asleep there one chilly morning. I awoke to find that a steward had covered me with a comfortable wool blanket.

The only exception to this otherwise excellent assessment was the mediocre service provided by our waiter and waitress in the Caronia Restaurant during dinner. I believe we had a new waiter who was unaccustomed to the single-seating dining setup. The first two evenings, our service was excruciatingly slow. Our waiter blamed it on a long line in the galley, but passengers at nearby tables with other waiters were being served much faster than we were. We planned to mention this to the maitre d' on the third night, but he must have been aware as our service improved that evening without us having to say a word. Nevertheless, even when there were delays, our meals always arrived at the proper temperature and were wonderfully presented. (However, we did get the "comment card pitch" on the final night, a practice we find to be inexcusable.)

ENTERTAINMENT The entertainment on QE2 exceeded expectations. Our crossing was a "Jazz Festival at Sea," and featured the marvelous sounds of the Dizzy Gillespie Alumni Allstars (Slide Hampton, Antonio Hart, Terrell Stafford, John Lee, Dennis Mackrel and Renee Rosnes). This wonderful group played many sets in both the Grand Lounge and Theatre and our entire family enjoyed them thoroughly. We also enjoyed the sounds of the Dave Shepherd Quintet, who played a tribute to Benny Goodman one evening in the Golden Lion Pub.Each evening, a different extravaganza awaited us in the Grand Lounge. The highlight was a wonderful performance by cellist Kirstin Spencer. Ms. Spencer captivated the audience with her renditions of popular tunes such as themes from James Bond movies, the Nutcracker Suite and The Godfather, while alternating between traditional and electric cello. She was sensational.The performance troupe, the Broadway Bound Theatre Company, was fine, but indistinguishable from other companies we have seen on other lines (with the exception of the Jean Ann Ryan Company on NCL).

Shows were enjoyable, yet were the typical tributes to Broadway and Hollywood. We were also treated to a classical recital one evening in the Theatre by the Viva Expressia Trio. If you should ever encounter these fine musicians, please make every effort to hear them play. Their selections included Vivaldi's Winter and Summer, performed flawlessly by three ladies on piano, violin, and viola.Daytime offerings was slim, but included movie showings, dance classes, and craft lessons, to name a few.

Our favorites, though, were the enrichment programs. Renowned maritime historian John Maxtone-Graham was onboard, and he regaled his audience with insights from his books The Only Way to Cross, Liners to the Sun, and Titanic Survivor. Another popular lecturer was former BBC correspondent Kate Adie, who shared her experiences on her three decades of news reporting.

In reading the above, it may seem that QE2 was a very sedate ship. Actually, it was quite the contrary. The disco was hopping well into the wee hours, according to many passengers I met.

There was also another evening in which we listened as passengers and members of the jazz bands participated in an impromptu jam session. Players got introduced, picked a key and started to play as if they'd known each other for years. It was a fascinating and fun night of music.

SHOPPING I am usually not a big shopper onboard ship; however, our final bill on QE2 proved this to be an exception.Boat Deck is filled with numerous shops, ranging from fine jewelry to costume jewelry (including the "Inch of Gold," to which I succumbed), and from a Harrods Outlet to formal and informal clothing. The clothing shop had some reasonably priced items, which was fortunate as I had to purchase a blouse to replace one that somehow got left at home. My downfall, however, was the QE2 Book Shop on Quarter Deck. This wonderful book and memorabilia shop has a number of titles that I have been unable to find in the U.S. I was able to complete my John Maxtone-Graham collection (graciously signed by the author while onboard), and I also found books on SS Norway, SS Rotterdam, RMS Queen Elizabeth, RMS Queen Mary, and other fine liners and cruise ships. This shop is a liner lover's dream.

DISEMBARKATION: The six-day crossing seemed to pass quickly, and on the morning of August 17, we prepared to disembark QE2. Cunard handled this procedure very well. In addition to providing colored tags, we were also given a number within our assigned color. This number corresponds to an area in the pier, enabling us to find our bags instantly. New York, on the other hand, handles the arrival of passengers deplorably. There were four other ships in port that day, and waiting for a taxi was sheer pandemonium. Hint: Instead of waiting for a taxi at the pier, gather your belongings and walk towards Eleventh Avenue. You will likely find a taxi immediately, as we did. Our driver told us that it takes one half hour to enter and exit the pier area, so many drivers prefer to wait for passengers to come to them rather than the other way around.

RANDOM CLOSING THOUGHTS I would definitely recommend a 2-night pre-cruise/crossing stay when there is a significant time zone difference. Our first day in London was somewhat tiring, but we were back to ourselves by the second day. This allowed us to board the ship on Day 3 feeling completely refreshed. I greatly enjoyed single-seating dining as it combined the best of feature of Freestyle or Personal Choice (choosing the time you wish to dine) with the best feature of traditional dining (same table and wait staff for every meal). I wish more lines would consider this concept, although I doubt it will come to pass. Even Cunard is abandoning it on the new Queen Mary 2, with the exception of the top-most Grill categories.

Another feature I wish would be incorporated into new ship design is more sea views. QE2 has a plethora of such spaces, both indoors and out. I particularly liked the tiered aft decks. Sadly, these spaces have given way to private verandas on most new ships. I had forgotten how much I enjoyed these wonderful aft views, and sharing them with other passengers.

We met a variety of wonderful passengers on our crossing. One day, I shared a table in the Lido with a 70-ish gentleman from Canada who had begun his journey on QE2 a month earlier for his first-ever trip outside North America. (The ship had made a Mediterranean cruise between its eastbound and westbound crossings.) Another morning, I had tea with a woman about my age who was transporting her car back from Europe on QE2. We also enjoyed the company of two women who sat at an adjacent table to ours in the Caronia Restaurant. I shall always cherish the lovely gift that one of them presented to me the final night of the crossing. Finally, there was the little girl who fell "in love" with our 9-year-old son, and danced with him in the Queens Lounge while the band played Sunrise Sunset.In closing, our six days on QE2 were exciting, relaxing and fun. The ship is beautiful and appears to be well maintained, showing little evidence of her 34 years. There was enough to do that the days passed quickly, while we still had time to rest. The Atlantic was very calm, although I admit that I was hoping for a short span of rough seas to see what the ole girl could do.While QE2's career as a transatlantic liner will come to an end in 2004, Cunard intends to keep her in service as a European-based cruise ship.

We hope to someday return to this fine ship for a cruise. We are grateful to have experienced a transatlantic crossing on one of the last luxury liners of the twentieth century. She gave us wonderful memories that will last a lifetime."
Posted by Hello

October 20, 2004

MY VIDEO REVIEW: "QE2: THE ROYAL VOYAGE"


This is a review of the VHS Video "QE2: The Royal Voyage" that I bought off ebay.

This 60-minute video was made in 1990, on the crossing that was celebrating the 150th anniversary of Cunard and the 21st for the QE2.

It follows the journey and observations of a chap called Bill Tidy who “wrote and presented” the video. There in is the problem!

The video itself now (of course) suffers from being very dated, as it is now some 14 years old! So part of the flaws are based on what was probably seen as “hip” at the time. But the main drawback is that you feel like you are watching your slightly loopy uncle’s holiday video.

Bill takes us on the celebratory crossing from New York to Cork (where Cunard ships used to pick-up Irish emigrants), then on to Liverpool, the Glasgow shipyard where she was built, Cherbourg (which used to be the key continental pick-up point and then to the meeting by the Queen on the Royal Yacht as the QE2 was proceeding up the Solent. The Queen and prince Philip board the QE2.

So it should have been a riveting and mesmerising story and video. Unfortunately, Bill Tidy decided to use as the main feature and flow that linked it all together silly and completely joke interviews. This may be fun on your home video, but ruined what could have been some really interesting interviews. He interviews the Cruise Director, Chief Engineer, the celebrities (Alan Tichmarsh, Roy Castle, Alan Wicker and some radio DJ I cannot remember) and some passengers and we find nothing out from them as they are talking nonsense (e.g. about the supposed live chicken run, the engines and controls not being for the engines but for the caviar, champagne and yoghurt machines, the “hip hip hooray” classes, the deck checker (Roy Castle in tap shoes), the 24 hour ship DJ who sleeps in instalments of 2 min and 30 seconds while songs are playing etc…..).

The only person he does not get away with (or maybe did not dare to) was the Captain who he interviews (and looks very uncomfortable being interviewed!).

To try and compensate there are then sub titles running through a lot of the video listing facts and figures about the QE2 which you cannot follow as they jar with what is going on on-screen.

There are, though, many spectacular shots from the air of the ship arriving and leaving the ports and on the Atlantic and so it is not all home made feel!

The ship also looks very dated and a bit tatty. But maybe that is more to do with the fashion and design being “of 1990” than anything, and maybe if we had seen the video in 1990 would have thought it looked great!.

This video is the kind of home made video your dad would have made when he got his hands on his first video camera and would subject you to every Christmas. Saying that though, after a few drinks at Christmas it may just take on a cult film status and be most entertaining….
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THE GENTLE ART OF TIPPING: Part 2 (The response!)


Someone picked up on the article about tipping that I copied in the 1st part of the entry about tipping from cruisecritic.com in the WeLoveCruising Yahho group - and it caused quite a reaction about how over-the-top people thought the dear tipping chap is... (told you tipping was a HOT topic on the boards!).

Here is what transpired:

yummy_mummyuk: "An interesting report. Whilst I agree with most of what the writer says, he seems to go a little OTT with his tipping - he seems to tip just about everyone that moves. Personally, I always tip the cabin stewards and table waiters. Never had one so bad that they didn't deserve something, although sometimes they may not deserve as much as I would usually give.

Sometimes I will tip the wine waiter if they have been really outstanding, but as I know these earn commission on the wine they sell I dont usually. Like wise, the barstaff and waiters also earn pretty good commission on what they sell during a cruise. Restaurant managers, assistant restaurant managers and head waiters are salaried and unless they have gone out of there way to make my dining experience better than the norm, they go untipped too!"

decibels_lad: "Sounded like he had money to burn!! We tip our table and cabin stewards!Often my dad also tips the bar men and stewards at his favourite bar, either crows nest or terrace!!"

Doug B: "Yes. What I found surprising was that he seems to be advocating quite a high level of tipping on top of the "voluntary" service charge which, for instance, Cunard, and many other cruise lines already add to your account. In this situation I often give a bit extra if the service has been really good, but not to the level he is suggesting".

Lyanthie: "I am sorry but I cant see the point of tipping at all. One small quote from the above article: "It is a good idea to give him/her a portion of his/her tip at the beginning of the cruise. You will be surprised how obliging that will make him/her." i.e. Tipping is not a reward for service, it is like blackmail to make sure you get some decent service.

A cruise is expensive, very expensive in our case. We are cruising for 82 days and we are expected to tip 60$ a day. Thats silly, I can have a damn good holiday on 60$ a day.The idea is, the staff are very low paid, so, we must tip them so they earn a living wage. eh, zippy zippy no. P&O is a UK company, so, all their staff should be paid at least the minimun wage. P&O business is to make money from the cruises. As a shareholder in P&O I know they are paying a dividend each year, so, they can afford to pay their staff. If P&O do NOT pay their staff a living wage, that is their problem, not ours.

I object to being faced with the emotional blackmail of compulsary tipping. We dont tip in the UK, why should we have to tip on a UK cruise just because the bosses are keeping all the profit for themselves.Guess you can see I get somewhat emotional about tipping:)"

This is one topic that rumbles on - as you can see from any quick trip to any message board or group on cruising! Posted by Hello

TRAFALGAR 200TH ANNIVERSARY TRIP 2005


I saw this offer on the cunard.co.uk site for the 4 night "Gallic Getaway" on the QE2 that goes on 25 June... (I would love to do it but we will be off a month later on the Arcadia for 2 weeks)...

QE2 - Fleet flagship at Trafalgar 200
Join us for the celebrations from just £449pp

A dramatic enactment of a Napoleonic sea battle is just one of the sensational highlights of a festival marking Trafalgar’s 200th anniversary. And you can be there when you join the most famous ship in the world on a Gallic Getaway.

Heritage- lovers – make it a date! Join Queen Elizabeth 2 for A Gallic Getaway to St Peter Port and Le Havre and be a part of living history. The most famous ship in the world will be the heart and soul of the Trafalgar 200 celebrations on 28th June 2005 at Spithead in the Solent to mark the bicentenary of Nelson’s finest hour. The fireworks alone, we’re assured, should safely make history!

Ships from more than 30 of the world’s navies will participate in the International Fleet Review in the presence of First Sea Lord Admiral Sir Alan West. Come and watch a 600 year old tradition transformed into a modern celebration of international maritime friendship and co- operation.Let the battle commence!More than just a thrilling naval occasion, the Fleet Review fills the sea with many of the world’s finest tall ships plus thousands of other vessels including racing yachts, fishing craft, private boats and merchant ships of every size and flag. It’s enough to make the waters foam while, overhead, the skies come alive with flypasts.

Dusk sees the final preparations for battle. Son et lumière. Blazing broadsides. Gun smoke, war cries, pyrotechnics and music. It’s as close to a Napoleonic sea battle as you’d wish to come.

Thank heavens for Queen Elizabeth 2 and her creature comforts! And as night falls memorably on the Solent and a floodlit fleet, the party culminates in one of the biggest firework displays ever staged in the UK. Another ‘finest hour’ in the making? We do believe Nelson would take his hat off.Sail on QE2's Gallic Getaway featured below and be part of history!

MMM, maybe I can try and find a way of juggling holiday dates and doing this. Sounds brilliant!! Mark hinted it may be on the cards to do... perhaps wait until we are on the QE2 in December and book something then....???

THE GENTLE ART OF TIPPING: Part 1


Tipping....

That is the topic of a huge amount of postings on the message boards. Why even I have posted a question on the topic.

One area that causes a lot of discussion is that Cunard (unlike it seems many other lines, like P&O who did not) adds gratuities at the rate of around $13 per person in Q grade accomodation and a dollar or two less in others. This then means (in theory) you do not leave any tips at the end of the crossing or cruise.

You can get the automatic tip levy taken off (either before the trip or on-board). A lot of people who keep it on still tip people that gave them great service. And I think we probably will, especially if we find that the butler does very different things to a steward.

There was a great article in the latest Cruisecritic.com email today that I repeat below about someone who has done over 80 cruises on the topic. From the article it sounds like he is refering to the QE2 a lot..

"TRENDWATCH: AN INSIDER'S GUIDE TO CRUISE TIPPING" - Cruisecritic.com

"No tipping required." "Gratuities included." "Service charge added to shipboard account." "Envelopes and tipping guides available at the Information Center."

There is probably no topic more discussed onboard among novice cruisers and old salts alike than tipping: when to tip, how much to tip, whom to tip. Having sailed on 80 or more cruises over 40 years, let me weigh in on the discussion.

First of all, it's important to understand that, technically speaking, no tip is ever required. A tip is a voluntary expression of thanks. The gratuities distributed onboard the modern cruise ship, however, are not just tips. Most cruise lines do not pay the men and women who serve their passengers a living wage. They pass on to passengers the obligation of supporting their employees and their families. Stewards are dependent for their livelihood on the generosity of travelers.Part of the difficulty with tipping is the English language. Where other tongues have two words for tip, English has only one. The French draw a distinction between service and pourboire. The first is the unavoidable cost of being waited on; the second is an expression of thanks for exemplary service.

It is only in recent years that cruise lines have begun placing service charges on shipboard accounts. They did this for two reasons.

The first reason was the rising number of continental Europeans traveling on cruise ships. Europeans are accustomed to having a service charge added to their bills at first-class hotels. It is not in their culture to tip further. Likewise, it is not the custom in Japan to tip at all. As cruise lines attracted passengers from countries where tipping is not customary, they added service charges to guarantee their employees' compensation.

The second reason for the service charge was the proliferation of alternative dining venues in recent years. In the days of the ocean liner, passengers dined at the same table each day for three meals and tipped their assigned stewards, busboys and table captains. With programs like "Personal Choice Dining" and "Freestyle Cruising," passengers are no longer tied to one team of stewards. In the course of a seven-day cruise they may dine in five or more restaurants, and be served by a dozen or more stewards. Because it is impractical for passengers to tip on each occasion -- and cruise lines have touted the advantages of cashless cruising -- the lines implemented service charges.

If you ask at the Purser's Office or Information Center whether the service charge replaces traditional tipping, the answer you will receive is "yes." But it is anyone's guess just how much of the daily charge on your account will go to a particular steward or waiter. Tips are distributed on a schedule that includes those who previously went unrewarded like the servers in the Lido restaurant where most passengers eat their breakfast and lunch. To accomplish the admirable task of compensating the overlooked steward without causing undue complaint from passengers, the amount given to dining room and room stewards is less under this scheme than it was previously.

I know this, because I have asked stewards who have served under both systems. The top cabin and dining room stewards made out better before.Because tips are technically voluntary, many cruise lines allow passengers to opt out of the service charge and to tip by themselves. The chief reason for this, according to fellow cruisers, is that they consider them too high. These cruisers invariably tell me they will tip the persons who serve them, and save money to boot.It is impossible to tip all the persons in front of and behind the scenes whose efforts enhance passengers' shipboard experience. Dining room stewards often take turns in the Lido restaurant, serve bouillon on deck, serve tea in the lounge and attend the midnight buffet. Does anyone tip the steward who serves him/her tea in the afternoon? I never have, and I don't know anyone else who has either. The exception would be passengers who take their tea in lounges restricted to occupants of suites, who are served daily by the same steward.

The service charge is here to stay, and it is a fair attempt to compensate employees and to allow passengers increased mobility among bars and restaurants. Consider it a hidden cost of the cruise -- like port charges and government fees. It allows the cruise line to keep fares low by shifting part of their costs to the passenger.

When considering a cruise, add the cost of gratuities that will be charged to your shipboard account when you plan your budget.The guide that appears below, then, is not for tips as service, but for tips as pourboire. In all my years of cruising I can recall only once having received anything less than deft, professional service from shipboard service personnel, and I consider it a privilege to be able to thank them in a way they appreciate.

How to tip
It is customary to tip cabin stewards and butlers, dining room stewards, busboys and table captains on the last night of the cruise.

Alas, I have been present when table mates have not shown up that night to avoid giving tips. I have answered stewards' anxious queries about the whereabouts of shipboard acquaintances and seen their chagrin. Consequently, cruise lines that do not have service charges often close alternative dining rooms on the last night of the cruise.On some ships, envelopes for gratuities are left in the cabin. On others you can pick them up from a display at the Purser's Office or Information Center. On others still you must ask for them.

While envelopes are certainly the way to go in giving most tips, it is much nicer to use your own. I always bring a supply of gift enclosure envelopes, available from stationers. These are smaller than the envelopes provided by cruise lines and can more easily be palmed to the recipient during a handshake. I always write thank you on the envelope, include my cabin or table number and sitting and sign my name. I want my stewards to know who tipped them and how much.I have seen advice to the effect that it is permissible to leave a cabin steward's tip on the pillow when leaving for dinner the last night of a cruise. That is a custom whose time has passed. Today cabin stewards are assisted by helpers who do the heavy cleaning. These personnel are tipped in their turn by the stewards out of what they receive. It is not a good idea to tempt cleaners by leaving money in plain sight. It is better to hand an envelope to the steward, even if that means waiting for him or her.

When to Tip
The cabin steward and butler, the dining room stewards, and busboy and table captain are tipped on the last night of the cruise. But there are exceptions to this rule. If you plan to do a lot of entertaining in your cabin, or if there is an infant or someone who is ill in your party, you will require extra service from your cabin steward. It is a good idea to give him/her a portion of his/her tip at the beginning of the cruise. You will be surprised how obliging that will make him/her.

On ships on which I am a regular passenger and am known by the crew I tip bartenders on the last night of the voyage, using an envelope. On certain ships I choose my bar by the bartender. If a bartender remembers me from previous sailings, knows my drink and asks for my family by name, I know he/she keeps a record book of regular passengers. The cruise line will have provided the names of returning passengers to the crew. A good crew member will have gone over the list, compared it with his/her record book and be prepared for my arrival. These members of the crew are worth their weight in gold; I reward them accordingly.

I recently cruised on a ship in which I did not care to return to the table to which I had been assigned. I dined half the remaining nights in the alternative restaurant and the other half in the dining room. For four nights the dining room maitre d' obliged with a window table for two. Knowing I would be back with the same request, I tipped him each time he produced a table. He always feigned embarrassment, but he never failed to have a table waiting. Because I had different waiters each night, I tipped them each night in cash. Instead of a waiter thinking he/she had an additional table to serve and one that would not produce revenue, I had, as word spread, happy, cooperative stewards.

Whom to Tip and How Much
For the following guidelines I am going to assume that there is a service charge added to the daily account and that passengers will pay it and not opt out. These, then, are pourboires for exemplary service.

Cabin Stewards
I tip cabin stewards $5/night, whether I occupy a cabin by myself or share it with another. It is the same amount I give to the maid in a good hotel.

Room Service Stewards
I tip room service stewards $2/visit. It is no easier to deliver for one than for two, so the tip would be the same for two persons. Tip in cash each time he/she comes.

Deck Stewards
I tip deck stewards on those (very few) ships that have reserved deck chairs $2/day in an envelope on the last day of the cruise. These are the stewards who tuck me in with a steamer blanket, provide me with bouillon or tea and move my chair to the sun or shade, as I wish.

Maitre d's and Table Captains
I usually do not tip the maitre d'. The only service he/she provides is assigning a table. If I like my assigned table, there is nothing he or she can do further. Unless it were an occasion like the one I describe earlier and I want a (very scarce) window table for two, I would assume it to be part of the maitre d's job to move me to a more congenial table. Another reason for not tipping the maitre d' is he/she is a ship's officer and is paid accordingly.On the other hand, I tip table captains $1 for each night I am in the dining room, even if he/she has done nothing more than to greet me. The table captain supervises the stewards and busboys, and much of what he/she does is behind the scenes. If, however, the table captain has promoted ordering off menu or prepared special dishes tableside or provided a cake for a special occasion, I would add an additional $5/person per service.

Dining Room Stewards
I tip dining room stewards $5 for each night I am in the dining room. If I dine in an alternative restaurant, I tip the waiter $5 in cash on top of the service charge. Dining room stewards usually work in teams of two. I allow the team in an alternative restaurant to divide my tip as they choose. In the main dining room, I divide my tip between waiters (equal amounts) or between waiter and busboy (2/3, 1/3), and put each one's name on an envelope.

Bartenders
If I know the bartender from a previous cruise and drink regularly in his/her bar, I give him/her an envelope on the last night of the cruise. On some ships bartenders give me complimentary drinks -- they know they will be remembered later. When that happens, I double the tip. The bartender has given away the ship's liquor, which costs him/her nothing, and I have saved money on my bar bill; we split the reward. I give my regular bartender $5 day.If I go to different bars, I leave $1 per drink with the bill -- even if there's already an automatic gratuity. When I am served hors d'oeuvres nightly by the same steward, I give him/her $5 on the last night of a one week cruise. If I have been served by different stewards each night, I do not tip them.

Wine Stewards
If the wine steward has done nothing more than produce and pour the wine I have ordered, I tip him $10 for a one week cruise. If, however, he/she has recommended wines, kept bottles from meal to meal (and from dinner to lunch, a nice touch) or has decanted wines I have brought to the dining room, I tip $5/bottle on top of the service charge, if the wine is from the ship's store ($10/bottle in addition to the corkage fee, if the bottle is mine).

Shore Excursions
For a half-day bus excursion I give the guide $2, $4 for a full-day excursion. If the guide has spoken with me at length individually or confided to me places for dining or shopping after the tour, I tip him/her $5 for a half day, $10 for a whole day. And I don't forget the driver. After all, he/she brought me safely down the Dolomites, or negotiated the traffic in Athens. I give him/her $1 for a half-day excursion, $2 for a full-day one.

Baggage Handlers
If I am in my cabin when my bags are delivered, I give the handler $1/bag, just as I would a bellman ashore. Likewise, if I am escorted to my cabin by a steward I'll never see again, I give him/her $2.Spa ServicesIf the spa has added a 15 percent gratuity to my bill, I round it up (in cash) to between 18 percent and 20 percent, which is what I would normally tip at home.

Butlers
For attentive service by butlers who have served as valets, brought trays of tea or hors d'oeuvres and kept the liquor closet filled, I tip $5/night at the end of the cruise.Ultimately it's important to understand that money is not a substitute for saying thank you; it is in addition to verbal thanks. One of the nicest ways passengers can say thank you is to mention stewards by name in the end-of-cruise questionnaire. I have had stewards thank me for compliments I gave on previous cruises when I saw them the next time. And, if you cruise often, there will be a next time"


I need to make sure I take a copy of this with me on the crossing... I will never remember all of it. PLUS: remember to bring some proper cards/ envelopes to put the cards and tips in!!Posted by Hello

October 19, 2004

PASSENGER REVIEW # 2: AUG 2002 CROSSING


This is the 2nd review I found online written by travellers who ahve been on a crossing.

This one is also on the fabulous Cruisecritic.com site. It was left there by "LADAV" who was on the August 2002 crossing from NYC to Southampton in an M3 cabin.

She wrote:

"I really appreciated all the excellent information found on [Cruise Critic’s] board before our QE2 crossing. So, I’m sharing my thoughts and observations and would be happy to answer any questions or comments.

We just returned from the Aug. 14 crossing from New York to Southampton. (We spent a week in London and the rest of the time in Scotland and the English Lake District before returning to London and then home on Monday 9/9.) This was our first crossing. We’re 60 and 64 y/o married travel junkies from the Midwest and occasionally travel by cruising.

* Embarkation Arriving in NYC the afternoon before, we spent the morning of the departure day at the Metropolitan Museum of Art. We arrived at the pier at 12:50 –10 minutes before the longshoremen return from lunch to take the luggage. We took that time to take pictures of the ship. Having long admired photos of her, reading Capt. Warwick’s book, and my husband building a model, it was great to see her—up close and personal! We turned over the luggage at 1pm and were checked in within 10 minutes. Then we were directed to an area in the terminal with rows of folding chairs where we waited until boarding began promptly at 2pm.

* First impression: It truly does look and feel like a real ship—not a floating hotel like the newer ships.

* Cabin Our cabin was 3179—an M3 on 3 deck near the launderette and florist. This was a very good location. 3 deck is the only one, I believe, where the corridor runs the entire length of the ship, so almost all stairways were easily accessible from and to it. Also, I believe the ceilings are higher on 3 deck than on 4 or 5, giving a more open feeling. The cabin was cozy but perfectly adequate. Room to walk around, decent sized bathroom, and enough storage space (after we requested and promptly received more hangers for the closets). We got a floral arrangement the first day to make the cabin seem more festive and it was still perfectly beautiful when we left. We’ve had balcony cabins and mini-suites on other ships, which were great. But for a crossing, a small inside cabin proved just fine—and did we ever sleep well! We found the duvets too warm much of the time, so our great steward, Tommy, promptly produced and kept a top sheet on for us also.

* Internet This was a different and great setup. Email is sent to passengers at QE2@CRUISEMAIL.COM with the passengers name and cabin # in the subject line. This is printed off and delivered to the cabin at no charge for text messages. There is a fee for attachments. To send email, it can be composed off-line in the Computer Center and then copied into the email format and sent.

* Food We dined in the Mauretania Restaurant. A couple of times I noticed Caronia and Princess/Britannia menus that appeared virtually the same. Anyway, the food seemed comparable to that on other ships---some things very good, some mediocre. The first night out, the servers seemed really stretched, but after that the service was flawless. Also, on the first night, one of our dining companions asked for salad dressing and the waiter brought a bottle of Kraft, I believe, --anyway it had a brand label and was in a plastic bottle!! It turned out to be a real bonding experience for our dining group as we all stared at the bottle and then at each other and said, practically in unison, “I don’t believe what I’m seeing!” However, after that, we never saw plastic bottles in the dining room and had some really good, unusual dressings. The Lido: Breakfasts were fine and we never had to wait in line. Some said they did, so maybe our schedule was out of sync with the majority. I didn’t care for the lunches at all there, although I only went once. The lunches in the dining room had wonderful soups and salads. Afternoon tea there was very good with great service, wonderful scones and a good assortment of sandwiches. It was also served in the Queen’s Room with music and an opening parade, but was the same food. Great both places!

*Activities My absolute favorite was sitting in a real, teak deck chair on Boat Deck, reading a book or just relaxing with a drink and staring at the Atlantic and listening to the foghorn. Next was the Cunard Heritage Trail—the organized tour and just stopping by to admire all the treasures. There was all the usual spa demos, art auctions, bridge, dance lessons, movies, etc. Plus lecturers: Gen. Alexander Haig, authors Harold Evans and Elizabeth Sharland, a former Concorde pilot, on oceanographer, etc. These were all rerun on the TV, so you didn’t have to meet a schedule if you wanted to hear them. And, yes, there was scarf tying! After reading so much about it here, I did go. If you don’t have some with you, they have loaners. There were some clever ideas—especially one for a draped jacket out of a large scarf.

* Entertainment Some were really lame (Irish comedy and music of Geraldine Doyle)--left after 10 minutes- –maybe she improved--others were absolutely wonderful (Jordan Bennett, vocalist, former star of Les Mis). The theme was “Stomping at the Savoy”, so there was the Piccadilly Dance Orchestra. This was in addition to the QE2 Orchestra and the band Logic, both of which were excellent. Don’t be misled by Logic’s title of “Caribbean Band”. They play all kinds of music. We generally preferred the dancing to the Grand Lounge shows.

* Weather High 90’s and sunny leaving NYC. Next day warm and sunny. Most other days were foggy and calm. One day, midway, there were Force 7 winds, which made being on deck uncomfortable, but the ship motion wasn’t bad at all.

* Passengers There were 395 from the US and 1297 from the UK with the rest a mix. The ship was full. Most of the British had boarded in Southampton and were doing the roundtrip via Quebec and NY. All seemed very pleasant, nice, friendly, and considerate.

* Thallasotherapy Pool This was a big disappointment. I had loved the one on the Millennium and was really looking forward to this. They charge $15 a day, I believe, to use it which would have been well worth it except: It was way too hot--hotter than a hot tub--not the 96 degrees it is supposed to be. And the jet I was most looking forward to --for the neck area--was not even working. So, I never went back.

* Dress Everyone I saw was dressed appropriately on the four formal nights. The last informal night seemed more informal than the first. During the day, very casual was the norm.

* Time changes We found that losing an hour each day seemed to take its toll—or else we just became incredibly lazy and sleepy. In hindsight, sailing westbound would probably be a better choice—having an extra hour each day! Posted by Hello

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